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an optimistic note about the way forward, as did speaker boehner after the meeting. >> my hope is that this is going to be the beginning of a fruitful process where we're able to come to an agreement that will reduce our deficit in a balanced way. >> to show our seriousness, we have put revenue on the table as long as it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. >> nbc's mike viqueira joins us live from the white house. mike, are there any signs, i have to put this to you, that the president may be able to persuade republicans at least to maintain the bush tax cuts on those making less than $250,000 a year? is there any sign that he's going to be able to persuade them on that? >> reporter: well, i think that he would be able to persuade them to extend those tax cuts, but he may not be able to persuade them to decouple them from those making more than $250,000 a year, martin. i don't mean to be flip, but that does remain at the end of the day here after the big root velt room photo-op the main sticking point. it's clear democrats feel they have the upper hand as do democrats h
boehner. cut it loose so they can go christmas shopping, senator mcconnell. it's what the people voted for. that's why they voted for me. that's the president talking. we are joined now by nbc's chief white house correspondent chuck todd. thanks for joining us tonight. this was a hot pressure cooker press conference and you were in the middle. let's talk about the president's tactic. it looks like he's got one. here he is sticking out his message of defending the middle class today, sticking to it. he practically dared the republicans to hold tax cuts for the middle class hostage. he went back to that word hostage. let's take a look. >> the other option is to pass a law right now that would prevent any tax hike whatsoever on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. i hope republicans in the house come on board, too. we should not hold the middle class hostage while we debate tax cuts for the wealthy. the most important step we can take right now, i think the foundation for a deal that helps the economy, creates jobs, gives consumersty, which means gives consumers confidence they'll have c
do you you think of mcconnell and boehner putting it on the table. >> mitch mccoppell had negative comments after at election. let's not take this to the bank. we have difficult negotiations ahead. what it seems to me has been made clear they will set is a revenue target and find a way to meet it and is it will have to increase some rates. by reducing the number of deductions. there will be significant changes in entitlements and democrats may have is a hard time with that. we may not get there until the end of december. you can imagine going through the negotiations and at the end of december boehner and mcconnell saying let's keep the tack cuts in place while we continue to negotiate. the president has to be firm. >> i completely agree with everything you just said. boehner after the meeting hinted he would be wiling to kick the can down the road and have the temporary solution. >> yeah. >> what would that mean for the markets? what would that mean for his caucus. do you think that's the most likely
to tackle the impending fiscal cliff but the president and the speaker of the house john boehner each drawing lines that they say they will not cross. the major hurdles, that threat to send the economy into a tailspin, that's coming up next. >>> plus a nascar race turning into a full-scale brawl. look at this. mayhem breaking out of the everybody going at it. we'll tell you what set it off. after this. ve lately. but because of business people like you, things are beginning to get rolling. and regions is here to help. making it easier with the expertise and service to keep those wheels turning. from business loans to cash management, we want to be your partner moving forward. so switch to regions. and let's get going. together. jenna: well come back, everyone. now let's return to the economy. the president and house speaker john boehner are suggesting they are willing to compromise to prevent our economy from going over that so-called fiscal cliff but both sides are digging in their heels whether or not to race tax rates for the wealthy. rich edson of the fox business network watching
house? is it john boehner? >> i think the president is the only with one that can sign the agreement. john boehner needs to have an agreement that the house of representatives will pass, and i think whatever the two of them agree on will pass the senate. but expect it will be john boehner working along with the president. i'm sure mitch mcconnell will be very closely involved in the discussions with leader boehner. >> you don't believe a deal should come out of the senate and then be introduced in the house? >> well, i think the elections are over. we need to find solutions to help our country move forward in a positive direction and as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staffs says the biggest threat to our national security is actually our debt. we need to get this spending under control and get people back to work. >> i want to talk about this issue of taxes and tax rates and get you to respond to something from not exactly someone who is known as a liberal thinker here. take a listen. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. it really won't, i
boehner today or not? >> no. this was no olive branch, larry. i was quite disappointed with that speech and press conference. and you noted that the stock market really collapsed as president obama was speaking because he seems not just today but the event that he had on friday, the two statements that he's made, he's been pretty emphatic that he wants those tax rates to go up, come hell or high water. that is going to lead to a mexican standoff with the republicans if he sticks with that position. i'd like to make one other point about that press conference, larry. i listened to the whole 45 minutes to 60-minute press conference, and not once that i could hear in that speech did he talk about the most important thing, which is cutting government spending. why don't we get the government spending down and then talk about raising taxes? >> you know, if you google up spending and obama, you know what you get? nothing. blank pages. you get nothing. >> in fact, larry, he said he wants his $100 billion stimulus, he wants more spending when he's talking -- trying to talk about lowering the de
was that john boehner was re-elected as speaker by this republican conference, and they knew that boehner was going to be a dealmaker with the president. so even the hard liners may have read the election returns, and i think even the hard liners don't be responsible for a tax increase. >> not only boehner, even mcconnell. let me show you this, michelle. mcconnell and boehner had a different kind of sound, different tone today after the meeting. watch this. >> obviously the president won re-election. the republicans were basically unable to get any seats in the senate. more people voted for democrats in the house than republicans. why do you have any leverage whatsoever? >> there's a republican majority here in the house. the american people re-elected the republican majority. >> it's important to remember that in this case, the voters also re-elected a republican-controlled house last week. the fact is the government is organized no differently today than it was after the republican wave of 2010. >> now, listen to what they had to say today. >> tomorrow is speaker boehner's birthday. so
the president sat between house speaker john boehner and senate majority leader harry reid calling for cooperation and compromise. >> we've got to make sure that taxes don't go up on middle-class families, that our economy remains strong, that we're creating jobs, and that's an agenda that democrats and republicans and independents, people all across the country, share. so, our challenge is to make sure that, you know, we are able to cooperate together, work together. >> joining me now for more, congressional reporter for "the washington post" ed o'keefe and national journal correspondent nancy cook. good morning both of you. last time we saw those three together, sort of a kumbayah moment when you have reid and boehner and mcconnell together. did you get a sense, ed, putting revenue on the table meant republicans were open to tax hikes for those makes $250,000 or more? >> no, they're not. they still say they don't want to see that increase. by talking about revenues the idea is you close loopholes, find a way to perhaps limit deductions and create revenue that way. but you know, b
cliff that is right in front of us today. >> chris: president obama and speaker boehner sounding up beat friday about prospects for cutting a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff and we're back now with the panel. so, after the president and congressional leaders met at the white house, on friday, the rhetoric was reassuring, the question is, is it real? do you get any sense, bob and this is the subject of your new book, that they really do see, are beginning to see a path to a compromise or are they trying to reassure nervous consumers before the christmas holidays and, investors because the stock market is done a thousand points. >> everyone is nervous about this. this is the last chance and the next six weeks could be six weeks that shook the united states if they don't fix this. there clearly is a new mood but the way they'll solve this, is kind of hostage exchange, in other words, the republicans are determined not to let tax rates go up and the president is determined or is determined to get more revenue and, it is possible to do this and the president is going along, it seems, with it s
they already agreed to that. i think you heard john boehner say that already. we've had votes in the senate where we've actually gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think the vast majority of americans agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem? and the real problem is uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. not just under this administration, under republican administration. >> let me turn to senator schumer on this point. >> so you have to approach both sides of it. >> let me turn to senator schumer. i'm going to ask you the same question. if the mandate is compromised, what do democrats have to be prepared to accept as a painful outcome in order to achieve compromise? >> well, i agree with you, the mandate is compromise. that's why we have a divided house and senate. and i think if the house stands for anything it's cut government spending, as tom coburn said, and i think we're going to have to do more of it. we heard the mandate in 2010, where i
last year between boehner and obama really focused on $800 billion figure. now the white house is floating a much larger number. how do those ceos react? how do we get those negotiations going inside the room with the president here at the white house today. >> able, how much do you believe that the ceos are really going to be able to sway the president on some of the issues that maybe he has been less flexible on in the past? >> i don't think this is about swaying the president at all. i think this is about face time with the president. i think this is an effort by the two white house to demonstrate very publicly they've talked to all the plargs in the labor community yesterday and now the business community today. demonstrate they are taking in ideas from all sides. basically the positions are fairly well entrenched. in order for a final negotiation to go on it is going to be between boehner and the president, it will be something like what they were working on last year. if the ceos in today's meeting throat new ideas, there is a small chance that those will be included in t
have problems. >>neil: read 'em and leap. taxes will go up. and up a lot. speaker boehner says revenues are on the table but we have news for him, when it comes to hiking the taxes, democrats do plan to run the table reportedly not keen on a republican plan to only close loopholes that curb deductions to raise revenue. and democratic leaders expect that and a rate increase, a move that could conceivably send the top rate closer to 45 percent tan the 40 percent they talking about now. when you throw in added surtaxes to pay for health care, the "wall street journal" reporter says you could be look at 50 percent top rate. or more. here we go. >>reporter: that is true if the live in the state of california or someone like you would works, why know if you live in new york but you work in new york and the tax rates in new york city could go do 50 percent and california as high as 52 percent, we have not seen rates that high since the 1970's. >>neil: leave aside what will happen on health care people forget this is a lot more than just returning to the clinton top rate of 39.6 percent. it is
house listen to the principles themselves, the president speaker boehner talk about these issues, i would rather be here because this is where so much of the same conversation is going to be taking place, and i get the opportunity today to talk to many of those principles directly involved in those negotiations, what's going to play out of the next couple months. it's a critical time in the country's fiscal history right now, tough decisions to be made. and again, honored. glad somebody people are watching as well over the internet and elsewhere. so we are going to begin some additional conversations here right now. i'm going to be talking about with members of congress but also to erskine bowles and alan simpson there. will he talk with some top economist about some of the choices facing those policymakers, but right now we are joined by one of the principals in the conversation to take place over at the white house in just about an hour or so, and that is gene sperling, the director of the national economic council. so i will invite him out there on the stage. so if gene sperling
and speaker boehner agrees to a rate hike, not just limiting deductions and that sort of thing, what would you think? >>guest: i don't think he will agree to a rate hike. what you are looking at is closing loopholes and limiting deductions and getting revenue from growth combined with entitlement reform and better spending control. >>neil: if it is a rate hike you would not be for that because the president argued earlier this week he doesn't think the numbers are there to get as much from closing loopholes, allowances and the rest than a simple hike in the rate? >>guest: the reality is to get revenue, you need economic growth and by raising rates you hurt economic growth by closing loopholes limiting deductions you make sure that wealthy people pay their fair share. >>neil: you can get a like amount of money from that, senator, than just raising the rate itself? >>guest: that is the real chance to get revenue because you have the kind of tax reform that will stimulate economic growth. if our economy doesn't grow you will not have more revenue even if you raise rates. that combined with spendi
boehner has balked at that idea. it would take away his party's leverage in fiscal cliff issues. >> there's a lot of issues on the table that need to be resolved. i laid out a reasonable framework where both parties can work together and i'm looking forward to meet at the white house on friday and begin that conversation. >> reporter: boehner and other top republicans have proposed eliminating deductions and loopholes that benefit the wealthy instead of raising their tax rates. >> we're not going to hurt our economy and make job creation more difficult, which is exactly what that plan would do. >> reporter: today the president argued closing loopholes alone won't do enough to cut the deficit. they will have that argument face to face with boehner on friday. >> one of the most frequent criticisms we've heard over the past few years from members on both sides is that you haven't done enough to reach out and build relationships. are there concrete ways that you plan to approach your relationships with congress in the second term? >> look, i think there's no doubt i can always do better and i
-free from anywhere. >> caller: why is he talking to speaker boehner. wasn't he tried to get everybody paid off. >> stephanie: from the tobacco companies. >> caller: from the cigarette companies, i mean for years. i've watched politics for years and i mean it was always like a joke two and three years ago always drunk all the time. >> well, yeah. >> caller: you know, a political joke. i've heard people say that. i just want to make a comment. i was watching david schuster the last show, and i can't--i just want to make a comment because i've watched him for years, too. my friend have sisters in college, and i guess he's really popular in dorms. >> stephanie: he's dreamy. >> caller: in dorm rooms. people have pictures of him in their dorm rooms. >> stephanie: really? i can't wait to tease him about that. >> caller: politics, i'm just a housewife, and i hear stories about college but we're not there. >> stephanie: he's like a political geek liker beat. >> like shawn cassidy of the political world. >> caller: they were talking about religion on the last show, and i just wanted to make a comme
directly at odds with house speaker john boehner. >> could you accept a deal that does not include tax rate increases for the wealthy? we've seen talk about a possible compromise that could leave rates the same but cap deductions for high-income earners. is that something that's acceptable? >> no. >> not at all no, way? >> no. the preponderance made it very clear in his campaign that there are not enough -- what you just described is a formula and a blueprint for hampering our future. you cannot go forward -- you have to cut some investments. if you cut too many you are hampering growth, you're hampering education, investments for the future. >> and even thousands of miles away it appears president obama is still focused on those negotiations. while touring a royal monastery with secretary of state clinton in thailand the president was overheard mentioning the budget talks to a monk. the president later clarified his comments -- >> he's not any monk. >> no. >> he has some big i vestments in the stock market. >> he later clarified his comments at a news conference. >> yes, we were working on
boehner challenging president obama to lead us. his first comments on the economy sense reelection, he ems emboldened by his reelection. with more on this, chris stirewalt. it is great to have you here. i want to start by talking about what the president had to say today. he seemed pretty firm on what he said so far about what we need to do with taxes in this country. here is the president. >> i am open to compromise. i am open to new ideas. i am committed to solving our fiscal challenges. but i refuse to accept any approach that is not balanced. i am not going to ask students and seniors and middle-class families to pay down the entire deficit while people like me, making over $250,000 are not asked to pay a dime more in taxes. [applause] gerri: chris, jay carney comes out a few minutes later and he says, well, the president says he will raise taxes on wealthy. so where is the compromise? >> the hope is that the compromise lies in a broader reform. but as you know, this comes down to chime in. you have the fiscal cliff. what democrats want to do really -- what they want to do is use this
leadership, go to senate, deal over there and then come to boehner and box him in with a deal and present to it him. >> he also said that boehner may want that, too. boehner still doesn't control his caucus. we don't have to ask what the american people wanted. president obama ran on an explicit program of raising taxes on top earners. and boehner is still talking about the romney plan, mess around with loopholes and take away loopholes from top earners. that was romney's plan and romney lost. the president holds the cards here. the world won't come to an end on january 1st if all the rates expire. it's more of a curve. i think we can afford to go off it. >> we'll see. as we quickly approach it. my thanks to the power panel today. i really appreciate your time today. >>> coming up next, a bipartisan plan to fix the nation's debt. the co-chairs are going to join me, ed rendell and former new hampshire senator judd gregg will join me to talk about this. we want to know what you think. should general petraeus have resigned? tweet me your thoughts about this or find me on facebook. oun] today
he does certainly from the far right of his party. you saw boehner say that the party wants to be led. they want to be led as americans, not republicans. again, i think you have somebody like bill crystal who comes out and says republicans need to be more flexible in terms of talking about tax reform. i think norquist in that clip showed a real misreading of what the election was really about. i prish his use of the word -- >> an odd choice of words. >> poopy head. >> they got a thumping here. this is the first president since ronald reagan to win the popular vote in two consecutive elections. they're trying to deny his legitimacy still. >> not all. >> grover norquist is. >> and speaker boehner has said they're ready to be led. >> thank god for one reasonable person. >> he says he's the most reasonable. >> we'll see what happens in january, though. he has that radical right wing tea party caucus to deal with in the house. i want to see them come to grips with reality. >> great pleasure having you both on. as people continue to suffer in the wake of hurricane sandy, thousands are homel
, including the most important negotiating partner of all a, house speaker john boehner. >> the framework i've outlined in our meeting today is consistent with the president's call for a fair and balanced approach. >> i feel very good about what we were able to talk about in there. >> we're prepared to put revenue on the table, provided we fix the real problem. >> i feel confident that a solution may be in sight. >> and in terms of the nature of that solution, what was discussed in the meeting was a two-step process in which the leaders and the white house first agree on a framework, an amount of deficit reduction it, both tax increases and spending cuts, and then they kicked the filling in of those details into the early months of 2013. they would do that with a legislative mechanism that provides some assurance to the american people and to the financial markets, guys, that those blanks would be filled in by the time they need to to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> very big blanks. okay. thank you very much. david, a couple words we've heard here are hopeful and encouraged. are you feeling more
that nancy -- nancy pelosi and john boehner don't do that? [applause] >> they don't really socialize. one reason that joe might work together, i knew joe and i love him. i wouldn't do anything mean to joe. so that is a lot of it. the times have changed so much. in the senate, one of the problems as they got away from regular order. you send a bill to a committee. you have an oversight hearing, you have an amendment coming u-boat, you go to the full committee and the house and then you go to conference. but they wound up getting a transportation bill. it's a combination of things. modern technology, frankly it is a 24/7 news media. it is the fact that the members leave their families back home. you can't be a good legislator two and half days a week. you have to work at it. the combination of those things, it contributed to the partisanship and the gridlock that we have now. the answer is simple. it is called leadership. men and women of goodwill, conservative liberals, republicans, and the president -- they say it is an easy and we have to get results. >> so i want to come back to that. l
not be surprised. even though the republican majority is a little smaller. and some of the people that boehner lost are moderates and the type of people that would want to cut deals. there may be people as the freshman move into leadership positions. jim langford is making a bid for the policy committee chairmanship, a springboard for a lot of people there seems to be a general calming down among some of the fire breathing. you know there is the potential for mischief on the floor. some of the news reported that the more conservative members of the republican party contemplated now the threshold for bringing down a bill is even smaller that they might not even vote for rules. that potential for mischief. and the people one term in that have now gone through a disappointing election. they have also seen that there are things that they can get done that perhaps they were not able to do in the middle of the debt crisis, making a negotiation. so the tone in the house, i would not be surprised if it racheted down a tiny bit. people are just with a little bit of experience and a few more gray hairs they
way to do this and a wrong way and speaker boehner was right that you have to have revenue on the table but that does not mean raising taxes. >> clearly we have the ability between now and the end of the year to not go off the cliff but we can't accept an unfair deal that piles all of this on the middle class and tells them they have to support it. >> now, of course there is room for compromise. raising taxes on the wealthy by closing loopholes instead of the tax rates, that maybe would please republicans on the democratic side maybe. they are saying you kind of are redefine wealth altogether so that maybe tack rates for those making half a million or a million dollars a year go up. we'll see how this goes, as you said, congress will be back tomorrow and there will be a big meeting at the white house on friday with the president. >> and what about the gang of eight, the four republicans and four democrats who have decided to get back to the hard negotiating? what can we make of them returning to the effort? >> you know what, they are all trying hard. they are going to have
during that financial meeting to talk with house speaker john boehner and wish him a happy birthday today. boehner turns 63 tomorrow. the president congratulated the speaker and shook his hand. he joked that the white house staff didn't get him a cake because they didn't know actually how many candles they would need. he gave boehner a birthday gift of a bottle of wine. >>> a stunning security breach. mother who crashed through a gate and started driving down an air port runway with her child in the car. >>> the frightening moment a driver plowed straight into a police officer. >>> and the beltway becomes the santa express. how old st. nick took t >>> you ready tonight on news4 at 5:00, we're giving away tickets to hot 99 sold out jingle ball concert featuring justin bieber, casha, flo ridea, and psy gangnam style. look for the secret star of the day, then enter the name on nbc washington for your chance to win. each day we're giving a pair of tickets for vip floor seats. and one winner will get a meet-and-greet with one of the jingle ball artists. >>> in just a matter of hours, the brand
, the president took a moment to wish house speaker john boehner a happy birthday. he turned 63 tomorrow. the president congratulated boehner and joked that the white house staff didn't get them a cake because they didn't know how many candles they might need. the president gave boehner a bottle of italian wine as a birthday gift. at least they're talking. >> yes. >> for a birthday, you can talk. >> nice sunshine out there today. >> yeah, we needed to see that sunshine. i think we're going to see a similar day tomorrow. if you liked today, you're going to see another one tomorrow. that comes on an all-important weekend. look outside right now. what you're seeing out there is a pretty nice night. yes, it's on the cool side. you'll need the jacket as you step outside, but other than that, not bad at all. you can deal with the chill. it's going to be a nice evening. 47 degrees the current temperature at the airport. winds out of the north about 7 miles per hour. that breeze, we'll call it a breeze instead of a wind, but that breeze will make things feel a little bit cooler. 37 down towards
. is there any way we're coming to a solution here? >> well, speaker boehner will be meeting with the president on friday. and we'll hear some of the basic outlines what is being put on the table at that point in time. we on the ways and means committee will be very actively engaged in working with our chairman, dave camp, to provide good information to the chairman and to speaker boehner about what we want to do with tax reform. bottom line is this. we have to stop this massive tax hike that will hit american families and businesses at the end of the year. melissa: yeah. >> then pivot to fundamental tax reform. and they're going to be things on the table but increasing tax rates is not one of them. i will not vote to encrease tax rates. melissa: you know, congressman, this segment was supposed to be about the carbon tax, like everything else we can't talk about anything beyond this fiscal cliff. i mean it is getting in the way of everything including this segment. we had somebody on from the teachers union or teachers education, national education association i should say at beginning of the s
point -- that speaker boehner showed yesterday in his remarks. he basically said that the president won the election, and he should lead. he basically, he said that he was open to revenues. which is, which many in his own party disagree with. um, so i thought the tone was the right thing. now, you know, you can't expect the speaker to turn on a dime in 24 hours and embrace everything; higher taxes, higher taxes on the wealthy. but i think that privately he's seen the handwriting on the wall, and it makes me very hopeful that we can do something big in the next month and a half. it's a good first step. um, i would say two things, though, in relation to it. when you unpack the speaker's speech, there is a premise that doesn't quite work, and we're going to have to help him move others in the republican party away from it. it's called -- part of his speech he talked about dynamic scoring. this idea that if you cut taxes, you will increase revenues. well, it's about time we debunked that myth. it's a rumpelstiltskin fairy tale, dynamic scoring. if you may remember, rumpelstiltskin was the f
for the democratic leadership, speaker boehner also intends to stay on, so we'll be seeing some of these elections take place but the big surprise is not a surprise, she's staying put. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell on capitol hill for us. kelly, thanks so much. >>> there is an awful lot happening from capitol hill and during what is expected to be the lame duck session i'll talk with maxine waters next. >>> then just over two hours until the president's news conference, first one difference re-election. what do you think the first question will be? reporters asking about what? tweet me at thomas a. roberts or find me on facebook, thomas a. roberts on msnbc. again? it's embarrassing it's embarrassing! we can see you carl. we can totally see you. come on you're better than this...all that prowling around. yeah, you're the king of the jungle. have you thought about going vegan carl? hahaha!! you know folks who save hundreds of dollars by switching to geico sure are happy. how happy are they jimmy? happier than antelope with night-vision goggles. nice! get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you f
.6 trillion in new taxes just isn't serious. it's a joke. a joke. >> house speaker john boehner has been far milder in this rhetoric. according to politico, some house republicans might consider a tax hike on millionaires. many republican lawmakers privately concede that the 2012 election left them far short of a mandate on taxes. and if urged by democrats to raise rates on the megawealthy, they will have a tough time resisting. for the record, president obama's position sounds much more in line with senator sanders' way of thinking. >> there are some tough things that have to be done, but there's a way of doing this that does not hurt middle class families, that does not hurt our seniors, doesn't hurt families with disabled kids. >> let's bring in ruth conif, political editor for the progressive magazine. also with us tonight, e.j. dionne, msnbc contributor, "washington post" columnist and author of the book "our divided political heart." great to have both of you with us tonight. ruth, you first. you know, this could set up to be a moment of real disappointment for liberals if the democrat
is house speaker boehner's birthday. for those of you who want to wish him a happy birthday, we are not going to get him a cake because we did not know how many candles we would need. [laughter] >> thank you. >> thank you. >> following the meeting, house and leaders spoke briefly to reporters. >> good morning, everyone. we just had a meeting with the president to talk about america posted fiscal problems. i outlined a framework that deals with reforming our tax code and reforming our spending. i believe the framework that i have outlined in our meeting today is consistent with the president's call for a fair and balanced approach. to show our seriousness, we have put revenue on the table as long as it is accompanied by significant spending cuts. we are going to continue to have that on the table to show the american people that we are serious about cutting spending and solving our fiscal dilemma. i believe that we can do this and avert the fiscal cliff. >> this is not the first time we have dealt with these issues. we feel we understand what the problem is. i feel very good abou
anything that speaker boehner said make you optimistic? was it just that urgency that you're talking about? >> well, it's the urgency, but i think the spirit at the table was one of everybody wants to make the best effort to get this done. hopefully that is possible. hopefully it is possible by the middle of december so the confidence of the markets and, most importantly, the confidence of the consumers returns to infuse our economy with demand, which creates jobs. >> you said afterwards there would be these milestones of success. how will that work? what are the goals? are there interim goals? >> well, my suggestion was that we at some point, not necessarily today, decide on what our goal is in terms of the amount of deficit reduction that we can achieve, some date by which we'd like to do it, the middle of december so this doesn't take us up to christmas, some milestones along the way so progress can be demonstrated we're moving in a forward direction. >> i spoke to senator michael bennet of colorado earlier this week. he said this really comes down to speaker boehner and president obama
in front of us today. >> president obama and speaker boehner sounding upbeat friday about prospects for cutting a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. we are back with the panel. after the congressional leaders and the president met at the white house on friday the rhetoric was reassuring. the question is is it real? do you get the sense, bob, that really do see or are beginning to see a path to a compromise are they they just trying to calm nervous investors because the stock market is going down a thousand points? >> everyone is nervous about this. this is kind of the last chance. the next six weeks could be six weeks that shook the united states if they don't fix this. there clearly is a new mood, but the way they are going to solve this is kind of hostage exchange. in other words, the republicans are determined not to let tax rates go up. the president is determined or is determined to get more revenue. and it's possible to do this. the president is going along, it seems, with some idea of entitlement reform that we are going to actually cut spending. but this is, you know, they are
uncertainty despite the president's comments and john boehner's comments. cheryl: we're looking at what we've been seeing over the last couple of months and you are saying kind of be prepared for that. a lot of the guests have come on and said you know, there's problems with earnings, but also you can't ignore that spike to the down side after the election. what did you make of all of that last week? what did you read into that? >> well, i mean, heading into the election, there was a lot of sentiment that the the market, the financial markets would have preferred a republican winner. cheryl: sure. fiscally more responsible if their view. -- in their view. >> correct. there's a few there's a lot of financial regulation presently and more to come. a lot of that at least from professional investors is probably where they were on wednesday. cheryl: they were waiting to see. >> i think that's going to settle off. i don't think you will see 300 point swings. you might see back again -- i'm quoting that period of july and august 2011, you could see 100, 150 on any given day, maybe a little bit ou
a split and one of the interesting ways you can follow it has to do with what -- john boehner versus paul ryan. boehner is pushing for conference shame, republican congresswoman rogers while ryan is pushing tom price who used to run the conservative caucus in the house. if most of the caucus is getting behind them then it's a sign they'll dig in their heels. if they're going with boehner, it's a sign they'll deal. >> i want to bring in a democrat on both the armed services committee and select committee on intelligence and the fiscal cliff if i might. do you think the republicans will come to play? >> i believe that they will. it's my hope that everyone has gotten the message loud and clear that the american people expect us to compromise, democrats and republicans coming together to solve the fiscal cliff issue but in a balanced way and that is certainly what president obama has campaigned on protecting a strong middle class, allowing the tax cuts to expire above $250,000, but we can't be afraid to compromise but we can do that without compromising our principles. >> is part of this deal
of a change. john boehner will be the speaker of the house, you know, unless something unforeseen happens in the next few weeks. he will be, he will keep the reign. the republicans gained, you know, a few seats, but that's not really going to effect his shot. he ran unopposed in ohio for his own race, and the defining conflict of the republican conference in the 112th congress, this sort of conflict between eric cantor, the majority leader, and john boehner, the speaker, is really behind them at least, you know, from everything that we have seen. the -- so that is remarkably stable, the first three positions. john boehner will be, you know, the next speaker, eric cantor will be the majority leader, and kevin mccarthy will be the majority whip. where it starts to get interesting is for the conference chairman position. this is currently held by jeb hensarling who is making a bid to be the financial services chairman. hensarling has been a sort of rising star for a while within republican ranks. he was a republican study committee chairman which is sort of the top conservative position in r
's debt crisis. but speaker john boehner told house republicans that after last week's election the mandate from the american people is to work together even if it means additional revenues through tax reform. meanwhile bill kristol, editor of "the weekly standard," seemed to cave in on the president's demand that wealthy people pay more. >> you know what? it won't kill the country if we raise taxes a little bit on millionaires. it really won't, i don't think. really? t >> reporter: the president begins making his case this week. what's different this time is that administration officials are already suggesting to congress that mr. obama is willing to let the deadline pass, let tax rates go up, and spending be cut if he can't get the deal he wants. norah, charlie? >> wow. bill plante in washington, thank you. >>> later this morning we'll ask conservative activist grover norquist if republicans are backing away from his no tax increase pledge. >>> two weeks ago today superstorm sandy battered the northeast. more than 100,000 homes and businesses still have no power. most of them
would be willing to accept and double the amount that speaker boehner had offered the president during their debt negotiations last year. today the president is scheduled to meet with ceos from a dozen companies. there's some of them on your screen. general electric, ford, ibm all playing a part. they'll discuss ways to work together and try to find a balanced approach to reducing the deficit. during a closed-door meeting yesterday with union leaders and liberal supporters, president obama reportedly vowed that he would, quote, not budge when it comes to letting the bush tax cuts expire for the country's highest earners. labor leader and president of the afl-cio, richard trumka, was among those at the white house meeting. he said he and the president are on the same page. >> we're very, very committed to making sure that the middle class and workers don't end up paying the tab for a party that we didn't get to go to. the president led with that notion of protecting the middle class, and now you have republicans that have it in their power, they could sign a bill tomorrow that protects
seem to be moving closer to a key sticking point. >> speaker boehner seemed to suggest that he was open to closing loopholes, to real tax reform. can you get there by just closing loopholes, or will it take more than that? >> well, look, i don't want to prejudge the discussions. i think that the speaker's comments have been encouraging and there is obviously money to be gained by closing some of these, closing some of these loopholes and applying them to deficit reduction. there are a lot of ways to skin this cat. gregg: illinois congressman peter roskam joins us. he is on the house ways and means committee. he joins us from chicago. good to see you. house speaker boehner says he will oppose any increase in tax rates. and the white house said on friday, and i will read this directly, the president will veto any bill that includes an extension of the current tax rates for those earning more than $250,000 a year. so congressman, where is the come promize? >> i think the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. we've heard this language coming from the white house before. we hea
boehner, basically had a deal in place, it ended up getting blown up at the last minute. i think there is a, perhaps, a new conciliation on both sides. i think they were waiting for the election to get over. i think the attitudes are positive on both sides. and i think they've got the framework for a deal already set up from last year. so i don't think that there are any closer but i also don't think they were that far away last year in 2011. >> do you think that closing the loopholes would be enough for a deficit reduction package? >> it doesn't appear that that's going to raise enough revenue to get to where the democrats want that to be. republicans say they don't want to raise rates. there are some -- there's some budget chicanery that can go on in terms of dealing with one baseline instead of another baseline. that's what it looked like boehner wanted to do last year. there are a lot of different options here. it's interesting, bill kristol from the weekly standard appeared to be talking to grover norquist, the anti-tax activist in those comments that he played earlier, talk
's about to happen in this building in an hour from now. speaker boehner, senator mcconnell, senator reid, democratic leader pelosi, all will come here and speak for a couple hours. day one of negotiations. nobody is expecting huge news but as jim has already tweeted out this morning, the market is going to look for signs that this tone of compromise that we've heard so much about all week long is that for real or are talks going to break down in early stages? the market specifically is going to depend on that tone today and we'll bring that live when the meeting happens a little after 10:00 a.m. >> we've seen reaction of futures to the possibility of a deal. we've been down for six of the past seven days but the dow this morning implied open is up 33 points. sapp looks s&p looks to add fiv. here we have italy down three-quarter percent and mixed bag for the rest. carl? okay. we're going to go to the road map this morning. that is where carl is in washington d.c. reports this morning that hard decisions surrounding deficit reduction could be kicked down the road until 2013 in favor of a s
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't be enough of those to block passage. speaker boehner will put a coalition together of moderate companies, even some conservative republicans along with democrats to get a deal that has some increased revenue probably in marginal rate increases, also some deduction closing loophole closing, probably corporate tax rates will change tick lei larly on carried interest. he will sell it to enough people through the house while not risk it to those who have races in 2014 who might get a primary. he won't get so many defections he won't get a deal across. we shouldn't jump to the conclusion because there are still hard-line conservatives no-tax increase republicans in the house that they dominate now, they don't dominate. >> ben white, interesting analysis. >>> just heard ben white thinks we're going to get a deal done but right now america's economy is still being held hostage. the fact that washington is on vacation -- not helping. eamon javers is live on capitol hill where congress isn't. eamon. >> that's right. look behind me. see if you see any members of congress. they're not here, they're
'll play their hand i think to their full advantage. >> what kind of hand does john boehner have? where sg it leave him and his ability to control the tea party wing? >> it actually puts skron boehner in a good position because during the debt ceiling talks last year, he had a lot of push back from the very far right of his party in the house. the tea party caucus, for example. this time around we won't see the same dynamic at all because the tea party caucus and far right have lost a lot of political capital in light of the election. so what we've already seen is speaker boehner talking to republicans in the house, putting his foot down early and saying we're not going to have that same push back we saw. instead, i'm going to tell you what we're going to do and what this deal is going to look like and you'll fall into line. >> he got criticism because he negotiated a deal and then went back and tried to sell to the party. does he naed to do he need to d way around, get a set position and then go into discussions? >> i think that is the thinking this time around. and he has certainly recog
of them is obamacare, as john boehner put it the other way, it's the law of the land. that means that businesses are going to be laying people off. that means that over eight million americans who are part time are going to continue to work part time until we see a real resurgence in this economy, certainly. because it's just not economical for the employer to move ahead. it's cheaper for them, in fact, to pay a $2,000 fine. imagine this, to pay $2,000 for an employee they didn't hire who they've hired and not put them on an employee-sponsored insurance plan. this is the exact reversefect of what we had, you know, been told would occur. but we should be used to that, because so much of the -- so many of the consequences have not been intended because they were never thought out by this congress, the previous congress. and we're looking at people saying it's partisanship. let me give you an example of why that's pure bull, shannon, many i fay. shannon: please do. >> one of the companies laying off people is a company called stryker, one of the medical device makers, one of the big
are stopping by. all leading up to the meeting on friday. john boehner, harry reid, mitch mcconnell, the same group last year. since that meeting, republicans have been discussing revenue increases. democrats want tax rate increases. republicans say there are other ways to get there like curbing tax deductions. >> this whole notion of capital gains and dividend taxes is really an explicit to pension funds and the ability of moms and pops that are out there to have income producing small capital investments. rich: the president's budget increases the top tax rate from 15 to 20%. meeting friday at the white house. back to you. lori: we know you will be there, rich. thank you. melissa: the president calling on congressional leaders to work together. congress has a voter mandate not to raise taxes. joining us now is steve moore from the "wall street journal." thank you for hopping on the phone to talk to us. i am really interested in the interview that you did. he said over the weekend "let me put it very clearly, i am not willing to turn off taxes for the sequester." >> one of the things that ca
other point that i want to make and that is that my understanding is tomorrow is representative boehner's birthday. for those who want to wish him a happy birthday, we're not going to embarrass him with a cake because we didn't know how many candles were needed -- >> yeah, right. >> but we do want to wish him a happy birthday. >> thank you. >> thank you, everybody. appreciate it. >> house and senate leaders spoke briefly to reporters. >> good morning, everyone. we had a very constructive meeting with the president to talk about america's fiscal problem. i outlined a framework that deals with reforming our tax code and reforming our spending. i believe that the framework that i have outlined in our meeting today is consistent with the president's call for a fair and balanced approach. to show our seriousness, we have put revenue on the table as long it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. while we're going to continue to have revenue on the table, it's going to be incumbent for my colleagues to show the american people that we're serious about cutting spending and solving our fisc
if not paralyzed to get things done? the speaker boehner, mr. president, let's get some stuff going here, but how much of the responsibility lies with him? with speaker boehner, do you think? >> people want cooperation on both sides. the issue at hand will be the fiscal cliff and our budgetary situation. the president's put a proposal forward. it's incumbent on the speaker to say, what they would be willing to do and not simply say, it's not our responsibility. i think people expect everyone to live up to their responsibilities. and one thing that is clear as i moved around the country with the president is that they're hungry for that kind of cooperation. i hope that coming out of this election people will come with a renewed sense of cooperation. because it will take that to solve problems. let me just say one other thing, though, you mentioned that not much has changed. actually what is interesting is you have these super pacs spending literally billions of dollars to defeat the president and to defeat democrats running for congress. well, the president was re-elected. you have more democrats
speaker boehner tell it, republicans have to swallow their pride and just stay in line, and tea party said they made him speaker and better watch how he is speaks. >>guest: why don't we all talk about rather that who getting in line and who is cooperating with who, what is the best thing for our country? wouldn't it be nice to have a leader in washington who said, wait, it is not about just working together for a show but what is best for our country, and, neil, there are very hard decisions to be made and i don't think we should compromise on things that are not good for all of us in america. >>neil: you may feel that way struckly and i have admired the fact you stick to your guns no matter the crosswind but the president is going to claim, elections have consequences and it was close, but i won, and i won despite this call for higher taxes, maybe because of it, and the rich have to deal. you say, what? >>guest: well, i say, first, just because you win an election, that doesn't noon you get to go off the rails and do what is not good for america because you have some weird agenda. two, ta
the president had with house speaker boehner a year ago in the summer that you talked about putting social security and medicare on the table but this is a different tile. he's got an election behind him. he's got a majority now looking for a very different course. all of the polls show the overwhelming majority of americans, includion republicans do not want social security and medicare cut in order to deal with deficits, and so i think the president's got the high ground. i think he's going to see a mobilization of his own base, the entire base of the democratic party mobilize to say don't touch medicaid, don't touch medicare and social security, raise taxes on the rich, and protect the vulnerable and he's going to face a lot of his own people if he goes a different way. >> so, let's talk about taxes for a second. i don't know why we're having a discussion with republicans on attaches either. if we let the tax cuts expire and reinstitute the middle class tax cuts, which would be a guarantee, because every politician agrees, we would get $1 trillion. in the so-called grand bargain preside
tax rates right back on the wealthy. say republicans do not quite see things that way, speaker boehner refusing to consider a rate hike would put the would expect of an end of year deal to avoid a cliff locking more like a chasm. the public debt watcher is our guest. what do you think? >>guest: well, the president did double down on raising taxes today. he is taking the easy way out. he didn't talk about spending. he had a casual mention of cutting spending and addressing entitlements and those are the drivers of the debt. we have to be clear this starting offer is $1.6 trillion raising taxes we had $1.2 trillion deficit just last year. i don't think this is a one-sided problem. >>neil: something happened between the negotiating situation and removing the other argument, the spending argument and $1.6 trillion insisting it be a rate cut orate hike, he has removed doubt where the negotiations should go. is he interpreting or overinterpretting the election? he says the american people support that view. what do you think? >> i don't think the american people support that. if his own camp
speaker john boehner is holding a news conference about the house republican elections. kathy mcmorris rodgers has been elected to be house g.o.p. conference chairman and beat tom price who was endorsed by paul ryan who was the republican vice presidential nominee. and a couple of leadership positions will stay the same, including majority leader eric cantor and house whip kevin mccarthy. we are waiting to hear more about the elections. >> we are waiting to hear what happened from house speaker john boehner. a bit of background, one house republican sought to nominate newt gingrich for house speaker. we will have speaker boehner shortly. nancy pelosi announced that she plans to stay on as the leader of the house democrats and made the announcement at a press briefing and said, quote, i wouldn't think of walking away. we will watch that now while waiting for speaker boehner. >> i think that means most of them are here. good morning. more are coming. more are coming. yesterday, when we gathered here, i began my comments standing here with our new members of congress by saying a picture i
boehner has a big task ahead of him. can the house speaker pull the gop together and try to make a deal with the president on the fiscal cliff as jay leno was talking about. should he? should a deal be made? a fair and balanced debate is coming up. lots of talk how the united states will eventually be world's top oil producer. that is what some say. there are questions why it is taking so long. those stories and breaking news all "happening now." jenna: well, it is a little unbelievable, but there is lot of twists and turns in this scandal we've been following so closely surrounding former cia chief and now others. hi, everybody. glad to have you with us. i'm jenna lee. rick: happy tuesday. i'm rick folbaum in for jon. controversy over the timeline of events over the petraeus investigation with members of congress wanting to know why the fbi didn't notify them and the white house until just recently when it began months ago. that investigation far from over. fbi searching the home of petraeus's alleged mistress, paula broadwell. after david petraeus resigned his post as america's top sp
the tone of speaker boehner's remarks was very good. i also want to see what the substance was. what i do know is that different people heard this remark and interpret it in very different ways. grover norquist said he thought it was a good statement by speaker boehner, and other people who think we need to generate additional revenues to have a deficit reduction plan also say he made a good statement. it would be good to know exactly what he is talking about. >> how about for you? the whole premise of tax cuts, as we talked about the last 24 hours, is to eliminate deductions and bring down rates. that is what happened in 1986. >> i am talking about, what is our starting point in terms of the rates? what are we negotiating from? are we negotiating down from 35% or from 39%? i want to emphasize this point -- simpson-bowles, go look at it. they assume the amount of revenue that you would achieve if you allow the tax rate to go up. their tax reform plan is built off an assumption that you will get the amount of revenue as if he started at 39% and went down. they begin with what they call the
back and forth. you had boehner's position from the -- >> i don't want to anger the viewers, you but i think they're looking at obama's words the same way they look it at the polls with the kind of sense of here's what i want to believe. >> if they lose, do they go along with that and say we will accept that or do they push it over the fiscal cliff. you have people on the right and the left who are saying go over. >> in the press conference yesterday, my read of what obama said was we're raising the rates and we're put a structure for eliminating entitlements. >> correct. but if we're talking about rates, if you were playing joe, you would hear that the argument would be that this will never actually work. republicans won't go loochialon it. so some people were suggesting maybe there is a way to do 35% and get rid of deductions. >> but remember was it geithner on -- today is thursday. so this would have been tuesday. he said people are diluting themselves to think we can get where we need to get with loopholes. and i don't know about the right max, but my understanding is i don't think
, the president is meeting with john boehner, the first face-to-face talk. in december 2010, you called your plan the moment of truth. almost two years later, but moment are we at now? >> i think this is the magic moment. a moment when our generation has the chance to really do something about this problem that we created. it is our generation that got us into this mess. i think we have a good chance. yet a second term democrats president who has come out and said he is willing to put entitlements on the table. big deal. you have a speaker, a republican speaker who really gets it. he understands the deaths of the problems they face. he has said the are going to put revenues on the table. big move. we got half the members of the senate already saying they will support a balanced plan. which makes a lot of sense. we have the business community lined up firmly for doing something. most importantly, we have the fiscal cliff. where if we go over it, we are going to face the most predictable economic crisis in history. for all of us in here, it is also the most avoidable. i think this is the magic mome
driving the decisions made here. i think citing i believe speaker boehner, it's fair to say that the president also believes we don't -- he's not looking to box himself in or box other people's ideas out. as we approach the conversation that will be in on friday. >> suggest to the meeting that just took place they might have to give up more than they would like? >> i think the president has made very clear that everyone, throughout this process, not just in this past week since the election, but for some time now, that the whole point of compromise is that nobody gets to achieve their maximalist position. that was the approach we took throughout negotiations in 2011 and it's the principle the president has based his own proposals on. if you look at, again, the programs that the president has already cut through legislation he signed into law, if you look at the savings he's willing to enact as part of his plan, it demonstrates a willingness to give so that you can meet your negotiating partner somewhere in the middle and reach a deal. >> you don't have any specific -- >> i d
boehner immediately saying he generally supportive of trying to close the loop holes. do you see that as raising taxes? >> what boehner said and in the republican position since republican we should reduce rates have economic growth many of which are put in by obama for the solyndra green-type energy programs. let's bring the rates down. boehner was clear he wanted increase revenues it is not a tax increase to put more americans at work. if our recovery was growing the rate reagans did more americans would be at work. in terms of raising revenue which boehner grew about. if you grew the economy at reagan levels instead of two percent and obama and french levels, just growing faster and do that for a decade, the federal government gets trillions in taxes. we could undo the damage by having higher growth. >> gretchen: that's the difference in ideology. raise it to 3#.9 percent x. replace the alternative minimum tax with the buffet and raise the state tax and long-term capitol gains from 15-20. where do you think that those four points will go in negotiations with the republicans? >
they will or will not go on this issue. house speaker john boehner says he believes they can reach a deal. >> i don't think anyone, on either side of the aisle under estimates the difficulty that faces us. but i do think the spirit of cooperation that you've seen over the last week from myself and my team, from democrats across the aisle, from the president, have created an atmosphere where i think that, i'm, i remain optimistic. i was born with a glass half-full. >> what i have told leaders privately as well as publicly, is that we can not afford to extend the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. what we can do is make sure that middle class taxes don't go up. 98% of americans are not going to see their taxes go up. 97% of small businesses are not going to see their taxes go up. if we get that in place, we are actually removing half of the fiscal cliff. martha: doug schoen, former pollster to president bill clinton. monica crowley, radio talk show host. both are fox news contributors and what i'm hearing through both of those quotes we're pretty much where we were the last time that the president and john boehn
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